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    Javs

    Are javs a problem?

    In my opinion, they are. Not all javs, but some give the others a bad name.

    People like playing jav. Because they can bounce a bomb, and don't need too much precision if the enemy is near a wall.

    Changing the jav completely in a manner that has a very noticeable change (Ie like a weasel-nightwasp change, or levi-modified levi (tested month or so ago)change) will annoy people and they won't stand for it.

    So any changes to jav must either be very subtle or all other tw ships changed around jav.

    I suggest this for a jav change that might help: Decrease the bomb radius. This could: a) decrease accidental teamkilling b) require more precision c)decrease kills from bombs exploded a fair distance away when on low energy.

    Is such a change possible?

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    If javs are a problem, what are levs? :P

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    Now this is something that I wouldn't like. I do not agree! Why should we who actually can play the javelin suffer becuase of the newcomers?! It actually fun to blow things up with the jav bomb, you actually feel good, when you make a nice 4fer or even a 5fer.

    But thats just me.. :>
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    Oh and also d) making jav far less effective for the purpose it is used right now.

    Javs are supposed to kill people using the bomb radius. I'd say over half of kills in basing with jav are not direct hits.(?go base) Javs are supposed to kill people through wall, break cram etc. If you take the blast away, jav becomes very slow wb with very slow bullets that bounce once.

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    The Javelin is perhaps (at least it is in my opinion) the best balanced and planned ship in the history of Subspace. Why change it?
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    I just don't like the sheer number of javs.
    It actually fun to blow things up with the jav bomb, you actually feel good, when you make a nice 4fer or even a 5fer.
    I know, which is why so many people use jav.

    Maybe its because I weasel too much, weasels can take less damage and seem far more susceptible to the splash. But also spidering/sharking I've been blown up on attach by random bombs.

    If javs are a problem, what are levs?
    You know, I Can't remember the last time I saw a levi. *hides in sheltered pub*

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    Is such a change possible?
    No.
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    The jav is not to be touched upon. Keep your filthy hands off the yellow ship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theif of Time
    Maybe its because I weasel too much, weasels can take less damage and seem far more susceptible to the splash.
    Weasel = low energy. Weasel = small (but easy to hit with a bomb hitting near.) Weasel can cloak but a jav doesn't need to predict the location of the weasel too accurately to kill it.

    I think I can see now why this thread exists. :P

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    Yeah, you got me. :P

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    If you touch the javelin.. you touch me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeansi
    The Javelin is perhaps (at least it is in my opinion) the best balanced and planned ship in the history of Subspace. Why change it?
    Firstly, quoted for truth.

    Secondly, you should be thankful that it's mostly basers that come here, since the belim players would dismember you.

    Leave the Javelin alone.
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    I don't think changing a ship that has a whole league based on it would go down too well...

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    If anything, improving the ship's stats might actually fix some of its flaws. The problem with javs is that people like to sit and use the bounce to make fancy shots, but don't know how to time those shots to avoid tks. When asked why javs like to park and lob, the response I hear is that they aren't fast enough to compete in the open space against warbirds and spiders. More often than not, the problem javs are the ones who won't move.

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    Why the hell would you want to change a Jav, its already balanced.
    The solution to the problem with too many javs in pubs is not to change the ship, but to limit the numbers. But again, its all very contorversial -_-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll King
    ... the response I hear is that they aren't fast enough to compete in the open space against warbirds and spiders. More often than not, the problem javs are the ones who won't move.
    Very true, though it is possible to overcome a warbird and a spider, with a jav in open spaces. With some skill and luck, you can do it. The luck is there because, the enemy needs to make the misstake, either miss or just fall into your trap.
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    Yeah, don't touch javs.

    But since the weasel has thrust shot, give Warbird thrust shot back.

    Where you can fire while boosting with the warbird.

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    piss off and leave the jav alone.
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    Sure, go ahead and take the bomb away from the jav like you tried to do with the levi. Now all can see the true tkers of subspace are the javs, with Cloaker Moles in position now to destroy all races.
    But seriously, with the levi out of the "pure" arenas, you can now whine about the javs. After that, the sharks.... Can't we all just accept the fact that some people dont like other ships...

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    How about we disallow javelins in the pure pub arena or at the very least, limit it to one per freq?
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